neskor Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Evo ovde imas detaljnije objasnjeno http://truefi.blogspot.com/2018/ The here shown frontloaded enclosure from Line Magnetic, which incorporates a 18-inch field coil speaker, is a exceptional solution for all such requests. Upgraded to LM4181 the enclosure can be used as fullrange unit up to 5000 hz, or equipped with different crossover designs to match all named horn types with different take-over frequecies. The LM4181 is like its original predessor from Western Electric, the wide band coned version of three different speakers, which share the same motor armature. The speaker shows elegant wide band attitudes with a unsurpassed fast, refined textured low frequency support down to the deepest levels of bass, without the otherwise dulledness, which is so typical for modern large pa-systems. The enclosure can be opened in the back to form a dipole, which transports together with the front loading horn uncomparable attitudes, which are hardly found in other design principles, like backloaded, vented or bass reflex systems. The combination of frontloading in a dipole is known to be my favorite solution. It is giving large coned systems the property of refined fastness and articulation otherwise rarely noticed. My own speaker showed me once the superiority of such design principle over other more commercially practicable principles.Now here Philippe's installation shows simply the best connected low frequency range I have listened to in conjunction with the 22A. It is huge and it is high, it is a real piece of space determing furniture, and makes the positioning in the room difficult in both terms, acoustically and visually. This is not the type of furniture which makes life partnerships happy. It takes a good footprint and it needs some back space, as with all dipole systems, its backwarded radiated energy reflects from its backing wall. The system ideally will need some more space than Philippe will actually allow to spend, particular in corners even more, but such better position (a good meter) off the side and backing walls will tremendously increase the soundstage in his room, ideally to a almost invisible holographic soundstage. Another aspect is the door width to get it into the house and the final room.But soundwise, in terms of a deepest, most refined and fastest organic bass response for musical completeness and integrety, this is a top notch solution of highest expectation to match the world class 22a horn with its invisible tweeter. So far simply the best solution I have listened to and it is straight available by order. No woodwork, no carpenter, no nightmares of finetuning, no lost last hair from endless frequency matching or overboarding bills of frustation killing substitude drugs, like alcohol or expensive food, – maybe only a good glass of wine, while relaxed listening to a record of Nina Simone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Ovi iz LAMAR-a prave vec gotovo sve za HF deo. Mogu misliti koliko im to kosta... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifista Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Kako li svira veliki kompresioni u velikoj bas horni? Japanski Goto jos uvek pravi drajvere i horne tog tipa, samo su cene nestvarno velike. Recimo ova dole 60hz "hornica" ima usta otprilike 2.2m x 1.1m i 2m dubine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Taj dizajn WE horni je nesto sto komotno moze da ide uz Bugatti Atlantic. Kakvi su to genijalci bili.I dobra godina 1936. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifista Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Zamisli scenu, zena se vraca kuci a ti u dnevnoj sobi napravio WE "instalaciju" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nackom Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 sati ranije, Majda said: Izgledaju fantastično. Jesi li imao prilike da čuješ taj koncept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdzele Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Verujem da je Wife approval factor ~ 0.3 kod ovih vaših maštarija. Ako ne i manji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Da, meni se dopada ta manja varijanta za kucu. Bila je prezentacija u Minhenu pre neku godinu. Onaj "ludak" iz Silbatone-a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubisgrau Posted December 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 pa ne, ne postoji wife approval faktor sem ako žena nije ljubitelj vagnera kao moja - uvek se cinično smeje kad probam da unesem neku zamenu za horne, makar i na kratko slušanje. ima ta poznata SATO replika ovih WE koncepata i mislim da ih ima u mađarskoj, neki odavde su pretili da će da idu da to čuju i eventualno kupe. ja mogu samo da prenesem mišljenje poznanika koji je to slušao na minhenskom sajmu u famoznoj silbatone sobi gde gazda hjundaija svake godine donosi po jedan muzejski WE sistem na polzu svetskim audiofilima. citat je otprilike ovakav, po secanju: "teoretski sve pogresno, nema poslozenih faza, treba da se cuje kao kanta - a ono najbolji zvuk koji si cuo u zivotu. kad puste led zeppelin imas osecaj da si u prvom redu na njihovo koncertu na knebworth festivalu. kad puste mariju kalas, pola sale plače. a kad se zavrsi sajam, onda sledecis godinu dana sanjas da odes da cujes novu WE postavku tamo". zanimljivo da nasi distributeri imaju totalno suprotno misljenje, vecina je zgrozena zvukom u ovoj sobi. a švajseri horni oduševljeni mada demoralisani, shvataju da ovo nikada neće napraviti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubisgrau Posted December 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Pripremite maramice, David Fjodorovič Ojstrah na majci svih horni - WE 16A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja959 Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 32 minuta ranije, vdzele said: Verujem da je Wife approval factor ~ 0.3 kod ovih vaših maštarija. Ako ne i manji. mislis li da je WAF faktor bolji kod ovako neceg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, nackom said: Izgledaju fantastično. Jesi li imao prilike da čuješ taj koncept? Ovaj model sa fotogrfije nisam nazalost . Ali sam slusao neke velike horne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdzele Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Uh, pa to je Miletov sistem. To jako dobro svira. Mislim da sam sreo tri ženske osobe kod njega, bile su veoma spokojne na ovo. Al ajd majčin sine svuda to stavi. Kako ona da usisa ispod 80kg pojačala? Ili da obriše prašinu sa 20-30 lampi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja959 Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 4 minuta ranije, vdzele said: Uh, pa to je Miletov sistem. To jako dobro svira. Mislim da sam sreo tri ženske osobe kod njega, bile su veoma spojne na ovo. Al ajd majčin sine svuda to stavi. Majestic,veci model na 18m2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Malo slika u boji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 37 minutes ago, vdzele said: Verujem da je Wife approval factor ~ 0.3 kod ovih vaših maštarija. Ako ne i manji. Moja voli muziku i rado pusta. Zna da upali skalameriju. Ima i svoj folder sa numerama. U fazonu je da ako bi videla ove neke horne rekala bi A zasto mi nemamo ovako nesto? I onda ja objasnjavam kako nema prostora a kada se preselimo mozda ce i bit. Noj je bitno samo da nije haos od zica i delova i da moze da slako obrise prasina. i da nisu tamne boje cinimi se? Medjutim nisam siguran da cu da dozvolim koriscenje iste rucice? Voli da psta iploce pa cu morati da daodam za nju neku posebnu rucicu sa posebnom glavom. Ovu sto ja planiram da koristim cu na kljuc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 još malo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vdzele Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 5 minuta ranije, paja959 said: Majestic,veci model na 18m2... Lepa akustika. Mada nisam siguran da li mu ti difuzori sa strane rade posao jer su mnogo blizu zvučnicima, posebno onaj prvi do levog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zika Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 38 minuta ranije, anubisgrau said: pa ne, ne postoji wife approval faktor sem ako žena nije ljubitelj vagnera kao moja - uvek se cinično smeje kad probam da unesem neku zamenu za horne, makar i na kratko slušanje. Smem mi da Vas zadužim da isporučite iskreni poljubac u svaki od obraza dame koja se tako smislom ispunjeno nasmeje...? To i jeste sve što tražimo u ovom našem pregnuću ka uživanju u smislu zvuka. Upravo je to smisao tog bega od uobičajenog, kako naslov razgovora nagovesti... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Mislim da ste prekinuli nit vezanu za Western Electric. O tom sistemu smo već pisali. WAF mislim da nije univerzalan, postoje različita shvatanja a pogotovo nije važan za temu. Ovde se mogu pronaći dimenzije i fotografije WE horni: http://www.moviemice.com/_pages/man-pages/horns/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, paja959 said: Majestic,veci model na 18m2... Zvucni zid nema sta odlicno i neverovatno je to radilo u SU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 sat ranije, prophet said: Da, meni se dopada ta manja varijanta za kucu. Mislio sam konkretno na ovu verziju, 22-A horna: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 A može i da se upotpuni, dobra ideja : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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