enaB Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Ajd da napišem i ja svoj laiÄki utisak sa korišÄ‡enjem lepka Po preporuci iz teme prvo poÄnem da tražim Drvostik D-31. Pitam u jednoj farbari, drugoj, trećoj...nema. U jednoj sam na pitanje da li imaju Drvostik D-31 dobio kontra pitanje - "Šta ti to u pi..ku materinu?!", tako da sam posle tri neuspela pokušaja ipak kupio Beohemikov Drvofix. Ne sećam se da li je neko već napisao da ga je koristio pa ću da iznesem kompletan utisak. Prilikom razmazivanja po ploÄi kartonÄićem oseti se kao da ima zrnca peska u sebi ili tako nešto, pa sam prešao na korišÄ‡enje prsta, i to nanošenjem lepka iz flašice odmah ispred prsta dok se ploÄa vrti, jer ako prvo nanesem spiralu pa razmazujem već malo poÄne da se suši i mora da se dodaje na neka mesta...ovako bude taman koliko treba i gde treba. Osuši se za sat ili više, uglavnom bude delimiÄno providno ako je sloj dovoljno tanak. To je sve OK, ali ostavlja tragove! Kao neki beliÄasti masni sloj po ploÄi. Probao sam tako na nekoliko ploÄa, jer ceo postupak mi se baš i ne dopada a i dugo traje s obzirom da se prašina vrlo brzo vrati na ploÄu u nekoj meri. Suva magiÄna krpa naelektriše ploÄu, vlažna radi dobro ali opet ostavlja manje tragove vode zaprljane ranije obrisanom prašinom. Onda sam kupio Project Äetkicu od ugljeniÄnih vlakana i sasvim sam zadovoljan istom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sondek Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Ja koristim taj beohemiksov drvofix redovno,ne ostavlja nikakav masni trag po ploci,to je nesto verovatno vec od ranije na ploci samo je vidljivije kad lepak skine prasinu.Razmazujem ga vizitkartom vrlo lako i skida se uglavnom odjednom,dobar je lepak.Karbonska cetka je must have,pre svakog slusanja,ali uklanja samo povrsinsku prasinu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaB Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Na kraju ploÄe, na nenarezanoj površini jasno se vidi beliÄasti ostatak, i skida se lako brisanjem ali nešto je bilo ostavilo na svakoj strani ploÄe koju sam na taj naÄin "tretirao". Meni izgleda da i Äetkica uklanja sasvim dovoljno pod uslovom da je samo "Äista" prašina u pitanju, a ne otisci prstiju ili nešto drugo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmilovan Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Kasno. Vec postoji nesto slicno http://www.juno.co.u...ords/405433-01/ Pogledao sam još jednom pažljivo njihov sajt i oni su o lepku napisali: Why shouldn't I just use wood glue? Wood glue is not designed for restoring Vinyl Records. It should NEVER be used on rare records, or records with musical or cultural significance, as the wood glue is capapble of causing irreparable damage in a number ways. Damage Wood glue is specifically designed to form a lifelong bond to surfaces that it is applied to, and when applied to a records surface it will not always successfully come away from the vinyl surface cleanly. Tiny fragments of wood glue can be brittle and tear off in the microscopic crevices in the walls of the record, and if ruining your irreplaceable piece of vinyl is not enough, you also run the risk of the remaining wood glue catching onto your stylus; if you are using a high quality stylus and cartridge that could cost you thousands of dollars in damage. When you remove REViRGiNiZER from your records surface, it is designed to separate gently and easily from the record surface so there is nothing left behind in the record grooves that could ruin a valuable record, or damage your stylus. When wood glue is separated from the vinyl records surface, there is a high amounts of force exerted on the delicate peaks and walls of the record grooves, which can cause the grooves to deform, split or separate from the record completely. Vinyl records that are starting to structurally break down or are fragile and brittle are particularly at risk of irreparable damage from wood glue. REViRGiNiZER is very soft and elastic and exerts almost no stress on any part of the vinyl record. Static When wood glue is applied to a vinyl record and left to dry, it then needs to be forcefully peeled from the surface. The result of separating the two dry surfaces is that an enormous static charge is generated. The static charge is then absorbed by the surface of the vinyl record, effectively turning the record into a huge dust magnet. REViRGiNiZER is a polymer that when removed from a record does not cause static on the vinyls surface.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VU metar Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Ajmo, ko naruÄuje prvi gorepomenutog Plastik-fantastika? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbrujic Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Pogledao sam još jednom pažljivo njihov sajt i oni su o lepku napisali: Why shouldn't I just use wood glue? Wood glue is not designed for restoring Vinyl Records. It should NEVER be used on rare records, or records with musical or cultural significance, as the wood glue is capapble of causing irreparable damage in a number ways. Damage Wood glue is specifically designed to form a lifelong bond to surfaces that it is applied to, and when applied to a records surface it will not always successfully come away from the vinyl surface cleanly. Tiny fragments of wood glue can be brittle and tear off in the microscopic crevices in the walls of the record, and if ruining your irreplaceable piece of vinyl is not enough, you also run the risk of the remaining wood glue catching onto your stylus; if you are using a high quality stylus and cartridge that could cost you thousands of dollars in damage. When you remove REViRGiNiZER from your records surface, it is designed to separate gently and easily from the record surface so there is nothing left behind in the record grooves that could ruin a valuable record, or damage your stylus. When wood glue is separated from the vinyl records surface, there is a high amounts of force exerted on the delicate peaks and walls of the record grooves, which can cause the grooves to deform, split or separate from the record completely. Vinyl records that are starting to structurally break down or are fragile and brittle are particularly at risk of irreparable damage from wood glue. REViRGiNiZER is very soft and elastic and exerts almost no stress on any part of the vinyl record. Static When wood glue is applied to a vinyl record and left to dry, it then needs to be forcefully peeled from the surface. The result of separating the two dry surfaces is that an enormous static charge is generated. The static charge is then absorbed by the surface of the vinyl record, effectively turning the record into a huge dust magnet. REViRGiNiZER is a polymer that when removed from a record does not cause static on the vinyls surface.. Tekst, sa svim "jakim" i/ili nepotrebnim reÄima, je top-shop stila. Svodi se na: - tragovi lepka za drvo, ponekad, ostaju u brazdama (ako ih igla, neprocenjive vrednosti, jel da, oseća na naÄin da može biti uništena, takavog ostatka lepka smo sigurno svesni po skidanju "palaÄinke"; ponovićemo lepljenje i baciti lepak koji je ostavio takav trag), - skidanje lepka može mehaniÄki oštetiti zapis (siguran sam da je ovo bullshit), - po skidanju, ploÄa je naelektrisana (nije sporno, ali ni mnogo opasno, a posebno nije "irreparable"; na stepen naelektrisanosti se može uticati izborom lepka, stepenom "suvoće" pri skidanju...; ploÄu je, dalje, priliÄno jednostavno razelektrisati). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbrujic Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Meni izgleda da i Äetkica uklanja sasvim dovoljno pod uslovom da je samo "Äista" prašina u pitanju, a ne otisci prstiju ili nešto drugo @enaB Na žalost, Äetkica nije ni blizu lepka po rezultatima. Pogledaj ovu fotku (nakon Äetkice): Ili, probaj sam da pogledaš neku svoju pod halogenim svetlom. Probaj s nekim drugim lepkom. Ako osetiš zrnca neÄega pri razmazivanju, taj lepak izbaci. Drvofix ume da bude takav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sondek Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 ...svako ima pravo da se bori protiv konkurencije,tako dozivljavam tekst,cena lepka je oko 25 puta niza i bauk lepkizma se siri planetom.Simpaticna mi je rec polimer,zvuci bas onako...ozbiljno-obavezno ce nekog da fascinira,ali za nekog ko ne zna da se pod tim podrazumeva bukvalno svasta,skoro kao da je receno mi tu koristimo jednu supstancu. Ja nisam ni jednu plocu dosad trajno ostetio,ali sam na taj rizik spreman svaki put kad krenem da lepim.Raritetnu plocu koja vredi 100-200E,ne bih lepio,oprao bih je destilovanom vodom.Za naelektrisanje je u pravu,ali ja je stavim na gram posle tretmana obrisem cetkom i ono nestane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbranko Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Taj voodoo tekst podrazumeva neki dobar lepak za drvo. Ali pošto mi koristimo ove domaće loše lepkove, nema bojazni da će se ploÄa oštetiti. Offtopic: Kako se pravilno kaže množina od "lepak": "lepci" ili "lepkovi"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bujodrag Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Lepki?Lepaci? Wood glue is not designed for restoring Vinyl Records. Restoring? Pa, ja ga ne koristim za "restoring" već za "cleaning". Ako REViRGiNiZER može da ponudi više o'ma ću da kupim barel ili dva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbranko Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Sušenje revirginizera traje 12 sati? Drvostik je za ovo high-tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmilovan Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Ma kad bi bilo te teÄne gume da se negde naÄ‘e po nekoj iole prihvatljivoj ceni, to bi bio pravi izazov za probu - brzo se suši (oko pola sata), nema rastvaraÄa u sebi (tako barem vele) itd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaB Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 @enaB Na žalost, Äetkica nije ni blizu lepka po rezultatima. Pogledaj ovu fotku (nakon Äetkice): http://www.hi-files....post__p__289917 Ili, probaj sam da pogledaš neku svoju pod halogenim svetlom. Probaj s nekim drugim lepkom. Ako osetiš zrnca neÄega pri razmazivanju, taj lepak izbaci. Drvofix ume da bude takav. Gledao sam pod halogenim svetlom više puta, nije idealno ali je mnogo bolje od ove sa slike Što se više Äetkica pritisne, to više prašine ostavlja, to je moj zakljuÄak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbrujic Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Gledao sam pod halogenim svetlom više puta, nije idealno ali je mnogo bolje od ove sa slike Što se više Äetkica pritisne, to više prašine ostavlja, to je moj zakljuÄak PloÄa na fotki je samo mnogo puta svirala u poslednjih 20+ godina. Nikad nije ostala na gramofonu ni 5min po završetku, prašina je redovno skidana blagim dodirom karbonske Äetke... Sve školski. Lepak je od nje napravio novu ploÄu. Možda tvojim ploÄama lepak još ne treba. Svakako, odluka je tvoja, ne bih da davim/ubeÄ‘ujem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxaudio Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Kad jednom probas lepak tu je kraj. ÄŒuo sam da je skidanje sa Drvostika teško gotovo nemoguće! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaB Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 PloÄa na fotki je samo mnogo puta svirala u poslednjih 20+ godina. Nikad nije ostala na gramofonu ni 5min po završetku, prašina je redovno skidana blagim dodirom karbonske Äetke... Sve školski. Lepak je od nje napravio novu ploÄu. Možda tvojim ploÄama lepak još ne treba. Svakako, odluka je tvoja, ne bih da davim/ubeÄ‘ujem. Moguće, al nebitno, neću ni ja nikoga da ubeÄ‘ujem, tek to ne bi imalo smisla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Wet! Wet! Wet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sondek Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Koliko ja razumem engleski,"Revirginizer" bi trebalo da bude nesto sasvim drugo.Nalepnica koja bi se nalepila preko rupe na ploci,ali to je vec davno provaljeno,od strane novosadske Laboratorije Zvuka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbrujic Posted September 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Usvajajući Premium Titebond II za provereno dobar (inostrana iskustva), ponovo sam vratio u upotrebu Mekol D3. Oba su D3 klase i oba su vodootporna (do sada sam ga izbegavao, verovatno neopravdano, zbog vodootpornosti). Ovaj D3 se izuzetno lepo razmazuje karticom, nikad nema grudvica, koliko god da je tanak sloj neće pući pri skidanju, skoro da nema miris, postaje potpuno providan sušenjem, uz pomoć ventilatora (vidi sliku) već za 60-90min se može skidati, a već za 30-45min se može mazati druga strana. Generalno, ostavlja utisak "finog" lepka. SliÄan opis (osim vodootpornosti) je bio i za Mekol Specijal, ali ga je još uvek nemoguće pronaći u radnjama. I ovaj D3 naÄ‘oh samo u "porodiÄnom" pakovanju (dosta se gubi presipanjem). No, potrošiće se. Ovih dana je puno novih (Äitaj starih) ploÄa kod mene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arn Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 U Merkuru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbrujic Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 U Merkuru? U Merkuru, da. 5kg je mnogo za probu. Javi se da ti dam jednu bocu za "eksperimentisanje". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arn Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 Tenks a lat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sondek Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 ..."porodicno pakovanje" ...davno se tako ne nasmejah tako na formu,jos od Vuletovih vremena,vec sam zamislio decu musavu od lepka.Moracu da probam taj Mekol,kad naletim na malo pakovanje,valjda ima u Domeni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbrujic Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 Moracu da probam taj Mekol,kad naletim na malo pakovanje,valjda ima u Domeni. Nećeš ga naći u Domeni, a već dugo ga nema ni u manjim pakovanjima. Ali, ima kod mene ÄŒujemo se. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bujodrag Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 Pošto je to porodiÄno pakovanje?Sutra sam u gužvi al' ako nije mnogo, ima da skoknem do Merkura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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