mmilovan Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Deluje da s ovim setupom nešto ozbiljno nije u redu. To je priÄa za 1210 ruÄicu? 7Hz na denonu?!? To bi znaÄilo da mu je compliance preko 15 (skoro 20)! Sad vidim da nije 1210 ruÄica.
mmilovan Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 "zalijepio sam Isokinetikovu plocicu od 3 g za DL-103R. "
paja959 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Mislim da smo ovde sa Kujom jednom raspravljali, pa je to ostalo potpuno nejasno: šta se dešava kada rezonanca padne ispod preporuÄenih cca 8-12 Hz? Koliko se sećam, ovaj momenat je potpuno nepoznat i ne pominje se preterano u savetima o ruÄicama i slaganju glava sa njima. Možda je deo odgovora u umuljavljenosti zvuka?
zbrujic Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Bio je skoro dobar Älanak linkovan na tu temu. Onaj što je zakljuÄio da bi rez. frekvencija valjala biti veća od 10Hz. Tamo se da videti i šta je sa malim rezonantnim frekvencijama. Evo ga link:
Mr. Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 pokusaj guranja rezonatne frekvencije sa jednin denon 103/103r u taj extra nizak frekventni opseg je razumljiv (bezanja od nekog izdignutog basa koji se moze javiti na najnizim frekvencijama u nekim slucajevima),ali taj problem treba resiti sa amplifikacijom,zadrzati rezonantnu frekvenciju u preporucenom opsegu,i nema opsasnosti blizine rezonance transporta,koji ocito se vidi iz primera od strane @ninja,itekako zna da u&ere motku,kad se covek najmanje nada... moja 2 centa..
paja959 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Ne razumem ovo, moze li malo da objasnis, kakve veze ima rezna frekvencija rucka/ glava i amplifikacija a kakve to sve veze ima sa izdignutim basom koji se moze javiti. Ne shvatam ovo
Mr. Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Any cartridge/tonearm combination will exhibit resonance at a specific frequency (or frequencies). This resonance is due to the interaction of the cartridge (acting as a spring), and the weight of the arm (acting as a mass). The "springiness" of the phono cartridge is described as compliance, the weight of the arm is specified in mass. As an example, a heavy weight on a light spring would obviously over-flex the spring, conversely, a light weight on a strong spring would not allow sufficient flexion. At resonance, the arm/cartridge combination produces a dramatic rise in output. An increase of 3 to 6dB or more is common. This tremendous boost can cause severe problems if it occurs in the region of recorded music (above 2OHz), or in the area where record warps and rumble are problematic (below 5Hz). A cartridge/arm whose resonance occurs in the region above 2OHz can be influenced by music on the record. At this frequency a significant jump in output (resulting in a "bloated" or "tubby" sound) will be experienced. In extreme cases, the stylus may actually jump out of the groove. Similarly, a cartridge/arm combination that exhibits a resonance below the desired range will exaggerate the effects of record warps, or rumble produced by the turntable. The goal in matching a specific cartridge and arm is to achieve a resonance in the 10 to 14Hz range. Some feel that limiting this range even further, to 9 to 11hZ, is best. I've seen the following formula for calculating the resonant frequency of an arm/cartridge: Resonant Frequency = 1000/[6.28*square root (M*C)]. Where M is the mass of the arm and cartridge and C is the compliance of the cartridge. As an example, if we had an arm/cartridge with a combined mass of 14g, and a cartridge with a compliance of 20, the resonant frequency would be 9.535. This simple equation doesn't take into account all factors, including tonearm damping and, internal cartridge damping, but it will give you general idea of compatibility.
ninja Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Javicu se sa informacijama kad me prodje malo huja. Pojed g. bez ikakve potrebe! ... kad se internet komentari uzmu zdravo za gotovi i vjreovanje da 103jka moze da podnese i 100L:ski ruksak na ledjima .... i to jos sa extra kesicama sa strane
paja959 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Any cartridge/tonearm combination will exhibit resonance at a specific frequency (or frequencies). This resonance is due to the interaction of the cartridge (acting as a spring), and the weight of the arm (acting as a mass). The "springiness" of the phono cartridge is described as compliance, the weight of the arm is specified in mass. As an example, a heavy weight on a light spring would obviously over-flex the spring, conversely, a light weight on a strong spring would not allow sufficient flexion. At resonance, the arm/cartridge combination produces a dramatic rise in output. An increase of 3 to 6dB or more is common. This tremendous boost can cause severe problems if it occurs in the region of recorded music (above 2OHz), or in the area where record warps and rumble are problematic (below 5Hz). A cartridge/arm whose resonance occurs in the region above 2OHz can be influenced by music on the record. At this frequency a significant jump in output (resulting in a "bloated" or "tubby" sound) will be experienced. In extreme cases, the stylus may actually jump out of the groove. Similarly, a cartridge/arm combination that exhibits a resonance below the desired range will exaggerate the effects of record warps, or rumble produced by the turntable. The goal in matching a specific cartridge and arm is to achieve a resonance in the 10 to 14Hz range. Some feel that limiting this range even further, to 9 to 11hZ, is best. I've seen the following formula for calculating the resonant frequency of an arm/cartridge: Resonant Frequency = 1000/[6.28*square root (M*C)]. Where M is the mass of the arm and cartridge and C is the compliance of the cartridge. As an example, if we had an arm/cartridge with a combined mass of 14g, and a cartridge with a compliance of 20, the resonant frequency would be 9.535. This simple equation doesn't take into account all factors, including tonearm damping and, internal cartridge damping, but it will give you general idea of compatibility.
Mr. Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Da ne ulazimo u neku siru diskusiju, ok je. savet (ako cete poslusati) Da i tebi @paja 959 i @ninja kazem da na kraju OBAVEZNO proverite i ako treba namestite azimut jer se cesto desava kod Denona da polozaj glave nije u skladu sa polozajem igle Posto predpostavljam da nemate azimuth checker onda druge najbolja metoda, ne racunam odokativni sa ogledalom jer ta bas nije precizna, Jedan je da unimerom na izlazu iz predpojacala merite napon ali kada pustite tast plocu sa test signalom koji je isti na oba kanala i onda podesite glavu okretanjem head schell-a levo ili desno.Druga metoda je ako imate kasetofon da namestite na kasetofonu vumetre test cd-om da levi i desni kanal budu identicni a onda pustite test plocu sa test signalom istim na oba kanala a kasetofon da stoji na REC pausa (kao da je spreman za snimanje sa ploce i tacno cete videti da li su levi i desni kanal iste jacine. Da budu iste jacine je bitno iz vise razloga1 stereo slika2 dubina u prostoru zvucne slike3 da se ne ostecuju ploce jer ce igla da jede jednu stranu brazde vise Azimuth mora da se namesti , a ako vase rucke to nemaju onda ima metoda na netu kako to improvizovati ili kada se bude kupovala sledeca rucka gledati da ima i to podesavanje. LOSE PODESEN AZIMUT DOSTA OSTECUJE PLOCE. @ninji zelim da sto bolje skine plocicu a obojici da sto bolje nastelujete glave da bi vam uzitak bio sto veci pozdrav ps sto manje opterecena oko rezne frekvencije a sto bolje podesiti glavu i rucku i eto nirvane Sve ovo je samo moje skromno misljenje
ninja Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 @ninja,kako svira sad Santana "3rd"-Guajira u tom nespretnom set-up-u? (naspram digitalije/naspram prijasnjeg stanja-bas reprodukcija?)..bas bi trebao (?) biti jos kraci...
paja959 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Svira mi svjetlije i tanje. Izgubio mi se onaj osjecaj prirodnosti i realnost .... bas je opet tu, brundav, ali tanji, ali je opet puno vise izrazeniji nego na spotify:u... tu se tek nazire. Nema druge nego moram da to razbucam pa sta ispadne.
VU metar Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Å ta bi pre stavili na 1210: Audio-Technica AT33EV ili Sumiko Blue Point Special Evo III ili Ortofon 2M Black ?
HiFi User Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 http://www.lpgear.com/product/DENONDL103SA.html
VU metar Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 Hm, ne rade je viÅ¡e. ImaÅ¡ link do neke korisniÄke recenzije?
HiFi User Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 Hm, ne rade je viÅ¡e. ImaÅ¡ link do neke korisniÄke recenzije?
HiFi User Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 Rondo Red svira odliÄno. http://www.needledoc...=2&category=378 Al' ja bih Rondo Blue, zbog igle. http://www.needledoc...=2&category=378
Bujodrag Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 Pa, to je jako dobra cena. Korato cenovnik je, naravno, nepotpun Å¡to je, onako, baÅ¡ Å¡abanski. InaÄe, valja uzeti u obzir da su Rondo Red, Blue i Bronze teÅ¡ke po 10,5 g. pa je za Technics ruÄicu potrebno koristiti kontra teg.
HiFi User Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 InaÄe, valja uzeti u obzir da su Rondo Red, Blue i Bronze teÅ¡ke po 10,5 g. pa je za Technics ruÄicu potrebno koristiti kontra teg.
Bujodrag Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 Bilo je baÅ¡ na ivici. Sigurnije bi bilo da smo imali par grama i s druge strane ruÄice.
Mingus,Mingus Posted August 7, 2012 Report Posted August 7, 2012 http://www.musicap.rs/index.php?q=grupe&kat=PRO%20TURNTABLES%20AND%20MIXERS&grupa=9400&proizvodjac=Audio-Technica
Milos A Posted August 7, 2012 Report Posted August 7, 2012 preko njih (Music AP/Roland Planet) se već 5 godina unazad mogle poruÄivati Audio-Technica zvuÄnice...
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