sondek Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 20 minuta ranije, Nixie said: Pogledajte krivu ti i Delija i recite mi pošteno da li je ovo previše brdašceta ili se ja pravim suviše pametan. I da li zbog ovoga može biti problema, naročito u manjim sobama? Ja ga cuo u relativno manjoj sobi.Ne pravi problema,nisam ih u tih sat vremena cuo.Potrudio se covek,dobro ih postavio, njemu odgovara i ako ima "problem",mozda i voli problem,mozda voli da slusa malo tise pa mu prija malo bassa,mozda mu je amp malo tanji u basu...nebitno,vidim da neces promenuti misljenje,nastavi da cupas ljudima skretnice,menjas im delove i popravljas nove zvucnike,usrecuje te ta misija,ubedjen sa da si nekom pomogao. Vole ljudi i mrsavice i debeljuce,sta mislis kad bi ovaj sa debeljucom rekao ovom drugom kako bre mozes sa tom mrsavicom koščatom...a ona manekenka na koju bi vecina nas otpala... Ja uopste nisam ljubitelj DY,ali mi ni najmanje ne smeta da ih negde cujem kako dobro rade ono sto najbolje rade.Naprotiv uzivam,ne trazim mane,vec vrline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 minuta ranije, Nixie said: Sve što si postovao deluje kao gomila loše tjuniranih kutija. Dynaudio, B&W, Vivid, ProAc, Marten, Sonus Faber, Kii Audio i Dutch & Dutch - svi teski nemaci pojma. Neka dodju da im cika @Nixie objasni kako se prave zvucnici 'Lebe mekani... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesone Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 sati ranije, Toza said: @nesone, evo ga odgovor iz one druge teme... I godinama već to tako ide. Ništa nama nije dovoljno dobro. Mi smo megacarevi!!! Razumem. Veliki pozdrav. Sve najbolje. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexx Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 @Delija Valja li ovaj? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Evo jos malo nemaca pojma - Tannoy, Spendor, Harbeth, Revel, Legacy Audio, Paradigm, PSB, PMC, Acoustic Energy, Triangle, Polk, Elac, Wharfedale... Sve moj do mojega... Tannoy Revolution XT 6 Spendor Classic SP100R2 Harbeth Monitor 30.2 40th Anniversary Edition Revel Performa3 M106 Legacy Audio Studio HD Paradigm Reference Studio 20 v5 PSB Image B6 PMC DB1i Acoustic Energy AE1 Mk.III Reference Special Edition Triangle Esprit Comete Ex Polk Legend L100 Elac Carina BS243.4 Wharfedale Linton Heritage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 34 minuta ranije, Zexx said: @Delija Valja li ovaj? Nosi tog TAD-a u krevet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jager Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 minuta ranije, Zexx said: @Delija Valja li ovaj? Ovaj hrče na ten tauzend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexx Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 @Delija Znaš vrlo dobro da hoću, samo da mi dopadne šaka. @jager How yes no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Ja bih pre CR-1 sa sub-ovima nego E1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexx Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Naivan si k'o francuska sobarica... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 Jos jedna bitna stvar u vezi Stereophile merenja koju sam zaboravio da napomenem. https://www.stereophile.com/content/measuring-loudspeakers-part-three-page-6 "For published graphs, the loudspeaker's nearfield response is spliced to the farfield response in the 300Hz region. However, as pointed out in the Keele paper, the nearfield response assumes a 2-pi or half-space loading for the drive-units—close coupling to the room boundaries. This results in an apparent low-frequency boost in the resultant composite graph compared with a true anechoic response made of the same speaker. Given that a loudspeaker's woofer and port are always within a fraction of a wavelength from one boundary—the floor—and almost always less than one wavelength from three other boundaries—the walls and ceiling—below 100Hz or so, my experience has been that this does give a truer representation of a loudspeaker's real low-frequency performance than the anechoic response in all but extremely large rooms. Certainly, the loudspeakers I have auditioned that have true, flat anechoic extension to very low frequencies sound as if they have a somewhat exaggerated bass response—which is how they appear with a nearfield measurement." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragec Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 Gde nalazite te dijagrame, može li neki link za JBL L80 (MK1)? Hvala unapred, jes' da neću iz tog dijagrama ništa znati da pročitam al' nema veze, nek se nađe u arhivi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patason Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 mislis da svi saznamo kako svira....dijagram je cudo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragec Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Anegdota, hteo da uzmem Vienne Mozart, pitam drugara kakve su, kaze nisam ih slusao ali posalji dijagram, ja mu poslao, kaze ovo jos malo pa pokvareno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Vienna-e se generalno ne slusaju on-axis. Rupetina koju po pravilu imaju svi modeli na oko 2-3 kHz se "ispegla" dobrim delom pod odgovarajucim uglom. Naravno, sve je to radjeno namerno iliti autori gadjaju odredjeni specifican "voicing". Kod nekog modela se malo i "zaigraju" - Mozart stvarno deluje zabrinjavajuce... Ali, moze i da se "popravi" https://www.stereophile.com/content/vienna-acoustics-mozart-loudspeaker-measurements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixie Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Takve skroz promašene zvučnike imaju skoro svi proizvođači. To pokazuje da iza tog proizvoda ne stoji ozbiljan tim inženjera nego marketing stručnjaci i dizajneri. Ili da inženjeri za dobru tupla prihvataju da aminuju tuđe gluposti što i nije tako retko. Sva sreća po te iste proizvođače te niko ne obraća pažnju na te tehničke detalje i kako to zvuči, nego kupuju zvučnke po izgledu i nazivu proizvođača. Ja bih zabranio prodaju zvučnika bez priloga o merenju frekventnog opsega i impedanse. A ne da pišu 4-8oma i 30Hz-20kHz i još netačnih podataka. Recimo skoro svi lažu dosta o efikasnosti zvučnika. Ili da ode ponekad čika Nixie da im objasni kako se to prave zvučnici što predloži @Delija Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Ja ne videh da je iko ko je cuo Klimt seriju iliti The Music / The Kiss rekao da lose sviraju ili da im bilo sta fali. Da ne pricamo da nikom osim tebi nije palo na pamet da ih nazove "promasenim". A merenja "blagi uzas" http://www.vienna-acoustics.com/images/speakers_corner/1REVIEWS/02KlimtSeries/content/PDFs/08.pdf https://www.stereophile.com/content/vienna-acoustics-klimt-kiss-loudspeaker-measurements Nesto mi @golum ne deluje kao neko ko bi posle svega sto je cuo u zivotu "gajio" "promasene" zvucnike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filipescu Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Најјаче што сам чуо од Виене су били Малери, које бих и дан данас радо слушао у довољно великој просторији. Не знам какви су им дијаграми, али свирају да се смрзнеш. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Dijagrami tipicni za Vienna-e, naravno Ali... Kad se malo pomere zvucnici i glava... Ta-daaaa... Pa zar od svih na forumu ja treba da budem "protivnik" merenja? Naravno da su merenja bitna, ali da bi bila relevantna krucijalan je kontekst, kao i potpun skup merenja - a ne samo jedno izolovano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sondek Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Poznat si ti peglač krivina,nemoj sad da zavaravas tragove u snijegu..."znam sta ste radili proslog leta" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Moja pegla dobacuje samo do 80 Hz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somilenko Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Hebiga, @golum sluša Lampizatora sa pogrešnim lampama, na promašenim zvučnicima, ali sudeći na osnovu njegovog dokumentovanog iskustva samo na ovom forumu, uopšte ne sumnjam da to odlično zvuči i to je valjda dokaz da u ovom sportu za dobar zvuk nema pravila, samo okvirnih smernica... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somilenko Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Nego izgubismo FOCUS teme... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Izgubio se Focus iza brdasca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixie Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 24.12.2020. at 12:56, dragec said: Gde nalazite te dijagrame, može li neki link za JBL L80 (MK1)? Hvala unapred, jes' da neću iz tog dijagrama ništa znati da pročitam al' nema veze, nek se nađe u arhivi Ne nađoh za taj model na žalost. Nema za sve da se nađe, samo za manji broj modela koje je neko uvatio pa premerio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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