milan2003981 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Pozdrav , interesuje me misljenje o tannoy arden mk2 kutijama sa drajverima k3828 , vrede li?ima li razlike u odnosu na 385hpd i otprilike u kojem cenovnom rangu se krecu , konkretno imam par za 1800e , nov sam u ovim vodama i nisam imao prilike da slusam jacu opremu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krnjevac Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Razlike ima naravno.....u korist 385hpd..........sa tim drajverom u originalnoj varijanti slusao i bio svetlosnu godinu bolji od recimo brata Kingdoma 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Što se samih zvučničkih jedinica tiče vešanja na istim imaju tendenciju da vremenom postaju neelastičnija/tvrđa, što kao posledicu ima pomeranje Fs na više. Samim tim se menjaju i T/S parametri pa je pitanje u kakvoj to korelaciji radi sa datim kabinetima. I same kabinete je moguće napraviti da budu bolji. Dobra je stvar što se vešanja mogu osvežiti. 385hd ima odličan Ticonal AlNiCo magnet, mada ništa ne fali ni keramičkim kod 3838. Promena magneta uslovila je i redizajn horne za visoki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zflazar Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 Jel' možeš da okačiš slike zvučnika? drugo, nije mi baš jasno tvoje pitanje u vezi cenovnog ranga. Da li pitaš pošto je par HPD drajvera ili nudiš par drajvera K3828 za 1800€ sa/bez kutije? izvini na gomili nesuvislih pitanja... pozdrav, Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milan2003981 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Zelim da kupim ardene , ali sa hpd drajveima , trenutno mi lik nudi ardene sa drajverima k3828 , za 1800e, pa se dvoumim , i zelim da dobijem neke savete , tj. kolika je zaista razlika i da li imaju zaista toliko slabiji zvuk nego hpd385 sa alnico magnetima.Na zvucnicima su menjana vesanja pre 5 godina , inace kod njega su vec 20-ak godina , nije u pitanju preprodavac ili slicno , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatgoeson Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Verovatno ima istine u ovom mišljenju: "I have 15" woofers using both, and 1" compression drivers using both. Sonically no difference." Ali Ima i konkretnih podataka o tome u čemu su razlike: http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/alnico-vs-ceramic-magnets-which-is-better-and-why.366146/ http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?4031-The-Great-Alnico-Ferrite-Debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milan2003981 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Mislis da u zvuku i nema toliko razlike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatgoeson Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Ja imam isto 3828 i nisam imao prilike da poredim. Mislim da ovaj pasus sa foruma najbolje opisuje pravo stanje stvari: AlNiCo magnets are very expensive (mostly due to the cobalt), sensitive to mechanical shock, and have (for lack of a better word) "linearity" characteristics that are less ideal for driving loudspeaker "motors" compared to ceramic magnets. Interestingly, it is the latter property that likely imbues AlNiCo magnets for speaker drivers with their legendary (and price-enhancing) cachet. The nonlinearity of drivers with AlNiCo-magnet motors probably enhances their "tone" for, e.g., guitarists. This doesn't necessarily add any value at all for hifi reproduction.That said, many of the best speakers at my house (including my daily drivers) have AlNiCo magnets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milan2003981 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 ok , a otprilike cena od 1800e za zvucnike sa slike , je li ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatgoeson Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Kada bih prodavao, meni bi bilo OK. Dugo ne pratim cene, kada sam ih poslednji put registrovao bile su nešto niže. Opet, ovaj primerak izgleda savršeno, neke stvari vremenom dobijaju na vrednosti, moguće da je cena u redu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srdjan_cvetkovic Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Evo ako neko hoće da pravi Ardene https://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/tannoy-15-3833-3836-dmt-drivers-and-external-crossovers.215397/ Dobar majstor za kabinete i ima da budu 30% od cene novih originalnih. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zflazar Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 proveri sa čim- i gde je menjano vešanje na drajverima. Možda je to i bitnije da li je to K ili HPD serija. http://www.lockwoodaudio.co.uk/tannoy.htm ti je jedina zdravorazumska adresa za kontakt i nabavku recone kitova za Tannoy. Sve ostalo je mačka u džaku. Može da bude dobro ali ne mora da znači. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milan2003981 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 ok, provericu ,hvala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zflazar Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 On 6.6.2018. at 22:58, milan2003981 said: ok, provericu ,hvala. ...i...? Jesi proverio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milan2003981 Posted June 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 ok, provericu ,hvala. kaze da je slao u lockwood 2009 godine , ne moze da nadje papire ili neki dokument , izaslo ga je 300funti sve, da li to moze i kako da se proveri? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milan2003981 Posted June 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 inace nista drugo nije dirano ,samo tad su skidani drajveri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zflazar Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 ako ti se stvarno dopadaju zvučnici, meni ništa drugo ne pada na pamet sem da kontaktiraš Nešu Napijala i -ako je on saglasan, kao i prodavac- da odeš sa njim do prodavca da proverite zvučnike. Bolje da platiš honorar Neši za taj njegov trud nego da se ispucaš 1800€ za mačku u džaku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microfarad Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 3.6.2018. at 23:39, Krnjevac said: Razlike ima naravno.....u korist 385hpd..........sa tim drajverom u originalnoj varijanti slusao i bio svetlosnu godinu bolji od recimo brata Kingdoma 12 Podcenili ste kolega jedne odli;ne kutije, TANNOY KINGDOM 12, kada se poteraju sa adekvatnom aplifikacijom Ardeni joj nisu ni do kolena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krnjevac Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Izneo sam samo svoje misljenje i slusna iskustva koja sam stekao slusajuci ih,recite mi koja bi to po vama bila adekvatna amplifikacija za njih? Mene licno kada bi u pola noci probudili i pitali jel hoces Kingdoma ili Ardene na poklon ni sekundu se ne bih dvoumio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krnjevac Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Gledao sam cak ni Britanci nisu dali recomended ili Best buy po njihovim casopisima Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srecko Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Izneo sam samo svoje misljenje i slusna iskustva koja sam stekao slusajuci ih.Imao sam mnogo toga od zvučnika (B&W801F, Linn Isobarik, Quad ESL 63, Acoustat 3, ....... Tannoy Arden with HPD385). Tannoy Arden sam zadržao najduže i njih se najčešće setim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microfarad Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 3 sati ranije, Krnjevac said: Izneo sam samo svoje misljenje i slusna iskustva koja sam stekao slusajuci ih,recite mi koja bi to po vama bila adekvatna amplifikacija za njih? Mene licno kada bi u pola noci probudili i pitali jel hoces Kingdoma ili Ardene na poklon ni sekundu se ne bih dvoumio Kingdom traže mnoooogooooo struje da bi radili kako treba, znači neki ozbiljni monoblokovi Zanima me, sa kojim pojačalom je slušan Kingdom kada je tako loše radio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microfarad Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 3 sati ranije, Krnjevac said: Gledao sam cak ni Britanci nisu dali recomended ili Best buy po njihovim casopisima Pretražio sam celokupan net, nema niti jedan test Kingdoma u svetskoj štampi. Pa me zanima gde ste to pročitali da je kingdom loše ocenjen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microfarad Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Još jedno pitanje: Posedovali ste Tannoy Kingdom ili ste slušali kod prijatelja? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krnjevac Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Sutra ako stignem uslikacu komentar u casopisu Hi fi choice recimo,slusao kod coveka koji ih poseduje sa mono blokovima sa 4 kt 90 po bloku u dva navrata dovoljno da steknem neki utisak,ne iznosim moje iskustvo kao nesto merodavno vec kako sam ja doziveo taj zvucnik a za mene je bio veliko razocaranje,sto se zavrsne obrade tice i vizuelnog efekta tu nemam zamerke ali 6000 funti za takav zvuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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