Mingus,Mingus Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?hbest&1090434802&read&keyw&zztandberg Koliko je ova lista dobra.Mozda ne dostaje neki model a navedeni su dobri. Here is an alphabetical list of what I consider it deserve a nomination: Accuphase all tuners Audiolab 8000T B&K TS-108 Carver TX-11a Carver TX-11b Denon TU-800 Denon TU-850 Fisher FM-1000 Harmon Kardon Citation 23 Hitachi FT-5500 JVC FX-1010TN JVC FX-1100 kenwod kt-5020 Kenwood KT-1100 Kenwood KT-3300D Kenwood KT-815 Kenwood KT-8300 Kenwood KT-917 Kenwood KT-990D kenwood L-01T kenwood l-02t kenwood l-03t Kenwood L-07TII Kenwood L-1000T Kenwoods 600T Luxman T-117 all magnum dynalab tuners marantz 10b McIntosh MR 71 McIntosh MR 78 McIntosh MR 80 McIntosh MR-67 Meridian 104 Meridian 504 Mitsubishi DA-F20 NAD 4155 Nikko Gamma I Nikko Gamma V Onkyo T-4310R Onkyo T-4500 Onkyo T-9090II Perreaux TU3 Phase Linear 5000 series 2 Philips AH-6731 pioneer f-26 pioneer f-28 Pioneer F-90 Pioneer F-91 Pioneer F-93 Pioneer F-99X Pioneer TX-7800 Pioneer TX-9100 Pioneer TX-9500 Pioneer TX-9500II Pioneer TX-9800 Realistic TM-1001 REL Precedent Revox B760 and B260 Rotel RHT-10 Rotel RT-990BX SAE Mark tuners Sansui TU-417 Sansui TU-517 Sansui TU-717 Sansui TU-719 Sansui TU-919 Sansui TU-9900 Sansui TU-D99X Sansui TU-S9 Sansui TU-X1 Sansui TU-X701 Sansui TU-X711 sanyo t55 Scott 310E Scott 335 Sequerra Sherwood Micro/CPU 100 Sony ST-J88B sony ST-S707ES Sony ST-S555ES Sony ST-S730ES sony ST-SA5ES Sumo CharlieTandberg 3001Tandberg 3011A Technics ST-8077 Technics ST-8080 Technics ST-9030 Technics ST-9038 Technics ST-9700 Technics ST-G7 Yamaha CT-7000 yamaha t-2 yamaha t-7 yamaha t-70 yamaha t-80 Yamaha T-85 yamaha T-900 yamaha T-930 yamaha T-950 Yamaha TX-1000 Yamaha TX-2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Bilo je ranije o ovome reÄi, ali nije na odmet joÅ¡ jednom: http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/shootouts.html 1 PLUS: -C- Accuphase T-109V - Very natural sound, good bass. Pinpoint imaging. Lifelike, three-dimensional sound, smooth extended highs. 1 (TIE): -C- Kenwood L-02T - Most natural sound, good bass. Pinpoint imaging. Lifelike, three-dimensional sound. 1 (TIE): -C- Burmester 978 - Natural, open and airy sound, good bass. Pinpoint imaging. Lifelike, three-dimensional sound with nice extended highs. 4: -C- Sansui TU-919 - The prince who could be king. 5: -C- Sansui TU-X1 - Very good sound top to bottom. Big soundstage, three-dimensional. Very slight diffuse sound. 6: -C- Audiolab 8000T - Good bass, natural but diffuse sound, sweet extended highs. 7: -C- Philips AH6731 - A very natural, neutral sound. Stereo separation best with a good signal. 8: -C- Revox B760 - Great bass, lifelike midrange and extended highs. 9: -M- Mitsubishi DA-F20 - Quick, punchy bass, open, lively midrange and extended highs. 10: -M- Kenwood KT-5020 - Great bass and midrange and extended, sweet treble. Again, why pay more? 11: -M- Kenwood KT-990D - Smooth, clean sound that always pleased. Why pay more? 12: -M- Meridian Model 104 - Excellent, natural sound, good bass, no to DX games. 13: -M- Meridian Model 504 - Good bass, excellent midrange with smooth, just-right highs. 14: -M- Kenwood L-1000T - Good bass, punchy midrange, sweet extended highs. 15: -M- Sansui TU-X701 - Great-sounding midrange, bass OK, softer highs next to the L-02T. 16: -M- Luxman T-117 - Very good-sounding tuner. No real faults, top to bottom. Not as three-dimensional as the L-02T and gives up some bass richness. 17: -M- Sansui TU-717 - Good bass and midrange with nice "depth" to the soundstage. More forward than the L-02T. 18: -M- B&K TS-108 - Very nice midrange, good bass and nice, extended highs. 19: -M- Technics ST-9038 - Very good bass, nice midrange, smooth treble. 20: -M- Magnum Dynalab MD-108 - Bass OK, very good imaging and realistic midrange, extended but forward highs. 21: -M- Kenwood KT-917 - Good bass, midrange and treble. A very pleasant sound but more one-dimensional when placed next to the L-02T. 22: -M- Sansui TU-S9 - Smooth, natural sound. A budget bargain. 23: -M- Kenwood KT-1100 - Quite tuneful, but flatter soundstage than the L-02T. 24: -M- McIntosh MR 80 - Good bass, lively midrange and pleasant highs. More one-dimensional than the L-02T. 25: -M- Sanyo Plus T35 - Good bass, laidback midrange and extended, pleasant highs. 26: -M- Technics ST-G7 - Very nice bass, articulate midrange, forward but nice upper range. 27: -M- Pioneer F-99X - Follows behind the big bass dogs but the midrange and treble are where it's at. Sweet, clean, quiet and to be copied. 28: -M- Kenwood KT-3300D - Very good bass, slightly diffuse light mids and pleasant extended highs. A laidback, nice listen. 29: -M- Pioneer F-90 - Great sonics with a slightly lighter sonic presentation than the top dogs. Upper midrange and treble are top-notch. 30: -M- Sansui TU-D99X - Good bass. Bass, midrange and treble work well together for a balanced sound. 31: -M- Hitachi FT-007 - Clean, balanced sound, but less dynamic than the L-02T. 32: -M- Sony ST-J88B - Good bass, pleasing midrange, slightly forward and sweet treble. 33: -M- Linn Kremlin - OK bass; articulate, precise sound; good high frequency. Midrange, bass loses some natural warmth. 34: -M- Restek Metric - Excellent imaging, bass and highs. Midrange gave up some to other tuners. 35: -M- Onix TU39 - Dynamic, smooth, the midrange give up some "life" to others. Some added sparkle in the highs. 36: -M- Perreaux TU-3 - Nice balanced sound. Gives up some richness and dynamics to the L-02T. 37: -M- Magnum Dynalab FT-101 - Good all-around sound, treble very slightly forward. 38: -M- Kenwood L-07TII - Good all-around sound but loses some inner detail. 39: -M- Accuphase T-109 - Great bass, dry midrange, pleasant but slightly forward treble. 40: -M- Magnum Dynalab FT-101A Etude - A good, balanced sound, but slightly dry. 41: -M- Technics ST-8077 - Good bass, midrange OK. Nice treble presentation. 42: -M- Technics ST-8080 - Good bass, good midrange, forward highs but not unpleasant. 43: -M- Nikko Gamma V - Very good bass, good imaging, treble forward but not unpleasant. 44: -M- Kenwood KT-8300 - Good bass and dynamics, with a slightly forward upper midrange and treble. 45: -M- Onkyo T-4500 - Slightly lighter but a pleasing sound. Neutral, top to bottom, with nice highs. 46: -M- Onkyo T-9090II - Pleasant sound, good bass, but not as dynamic as some tuners. Great DX machine. 47: -M- NAD 4155 - Good, punchy bass. Light, articulate mids with well-mated highs. 48: -M- Pioneer F-91 - Very good bass punch and control, articulate midrange with forward highs. May be a good tuner for a large room. 49: -M- Pioneer TX-9800 - Rich bass presentation. Good midrange with a treble slightly forward that took away from the total picture. 50: -M- Tandberg 3011A - Good bass, midrange a little light, sweet treble. Very good imaging. 51: -M- Sansui TU-417 - A most pleasant sound, bottom to top. Needs good signals. 52: -M- Carver TX-11b - Punchy bass, clean highs and treble. 53: -M- Sumo Charlie - Punchy bass, good midrange, slightly rolled-off treble. 54: -M- Revox B260 - Rich bass and lower midrange. Good imaging. Three-dimensional. The highs are a little too much for my personal taste. The high rating reflects its other positive sound qualities. 55: -M- Yamaha CT-7000 - Warm-sounding bass, pleasant midrange and highs. Highs a little rolled-off. 56: -M- Sequerra Model 1 - Harmonically rich bass and lower midrange. Very seductive, but if you want accuracy, shop elsewhere. 57: -M- Magnum Dynalab FT-11 "NEW" - Good sound, natural midrange, treble nice, loose bass. 58: -M- Kenwood KT-7300 - Punchy bass, pleasant mids and highs. Slight loss of ambience. 59: -M- Onkyo T-4310R - Pleasant, inoffensive sound, good imaging. Good digital DXing tuner. 60: -M- Magnum Dynalab FT-101A - Pleasant light, airy sound. Lacks bass dynamics. 61: -M- Realistic TM-1001 - Sweet treble, pleasant mids, but the bass is not as full and dynamic as the big dogs. 62: -M- Yamaha T-2 - Very pleasant and listenable. This may be the cutoff tuner between the keepers and the also-rans. 63: Revox B261 - Punchy bass, pleasant enough but slightly forward mids and highs. 64: Pioneer TX-9500II - Clean, articulate sound. Lighter sonic presentation against the L-02T. 65: SAE Mark VI - Inoffensive sound, good background music. A mini-Sequerra. 66: Denon TU-850 - Good sound, midrange just right, treble sweet, slightly bass-shy. 67: Sansui TU-217 - Good sound when reception is strong. 68: Kenwood L-01T - Good sound, midrange slightly forward, good bass. 69: Phase Linear Model 5000 Series Two - Bass-shy, pleasant midrange and treble. 70: Magnum Dynalab FT-11 "OLD" - Good bass, dry midrange, treble OK. 71: Quad FM4 - Very nice midrange, good resolution, extended treble, rolled off bass. 72: Technics ST-9030 - Inoffensive but bland. 73: Naim NAT 01 - Bass OK, midrange OK, treble sweet. 74: Luxman T-115 - Good bass, midrange OK, treble slightly forward. 75: Nakamichi ST-7 - Muffled bass, forward midrange, highs soft and inoffensive. 76: Marantz 2130 - OK bass, midrange and treble forward and "light" sounding. 77: McIntosh MR 78 - Good bass, slightly electronic sound. 78: Fanfare FT-1A - Best through the low-output jacks, clean but bright midrange, lacks bass power. 79: Kenwood KT-7500 - Flat soundstage, better sound can be found. One-note bass. More boring than unpleasant in a long listening session. 80: Cambridge Audio T500 - Bass light, midrange forward and lacks focus, highs OK. 81: Kyocera T-910 - Pleasant sound, but what's that ringing in my ears? 82: SAE 8000 - Not irritating but not involving, either. Too much background noise. 83: Kenwood KT-815 - Bass thin, treble forward. It cries out for a new audio stage. 84: Denon TU-600 - Good sound, but not recommended because of reception problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvv Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Nisam siguran da iko na ovo može merodavno da odgovori, jer da bi mogao, trebalo bi da je posluÅ¡ao bar većinu tjunera sa spiska koji je baÅ¡ dugaÄak.A da su svi isti, nisu ni pod razno. Ja kod kuće držim tri tjunera, reVox B 760, Philips Black Tulip AH180 i Technics ST-G570. Na papairu, sva tri imaju jako sliÄne osobine, ali u praksi to su tri razliÄita zvuka. Po meni, Technics je jedan smiren tjuner koji se trudi da posao obavi temeljno, da mu niÅ¡ta ne promakne, Äak bih rekao i pomalo lenj. Philips je ansuprot njemu neobiÄno živahan tjuner, koji hata sve stanice sem železniÄke, ima nizak nivo opozadinskog Å¡uma, ali i neki svoj stav o tome kako treba da zvuÄi. Nije najneutralniji ali je veliko zadovoljstvo za sluÅ¡anje. reVox je definitivno najneutralniji, a najjaÄa strana mu je Å¡to ima veoma mali pozadinski Å¡um i najbolje reprodukuje ambijentne informacije, najbolje "diÅ¡e", ima najbolji osećaj prostora. Ali zao nije baÅ¡ džaba, posebno kada uraÄunaÅ¡ i potrebno osvežavanje. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingus,Mingus Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Odlicna lista cak ima i kratak opis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvv Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 @ProphetVideo sam i ja taj spisak, i kao vlasnik, trebao bih da budem zadovoljan, jer po njima imam 8. najbolji tjuner ikada.Ono Å¡to mi smeta kod njega je to Å¡to je osnovna baza za poreÄ‘enje Kenwood LO-T02. Njega sam svojeveremeno Äuo i nije ma baÅ¡ impresionirao; odliÄan ureÄ‘aj, nema sumnje, ali ima i rugih za te pa i manje pare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdlerTire Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Imao sam odlicnih tunera...ma sta odlicnih...vrhunskih, ali nemozes ih vise koristiti (bar ja), jer ove radio stanice toliko nahebu signal (u crveno valjda) da to vise nema veze sa nicim....ako tuner treba da bi tandrkalo samo nesto u podlozi...onda moze i najjeftiniji moguci....a ovo sve ostalo je bacena lova bezveze....osim , ako je da bi lijepo izgledao samo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giZ_Mo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 По питању оÑетљивоÑти, и звука који излази из тјунера ово Ñу моји љубимци: Revox A76 Hitachi FT-5500 Hitachi FT-440 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingus,Mingus Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Vecina tjunera je jako skupa a i nedostupna.Sa nasim kvalitetom stanica ne isplativo je veliko ulaganje i ako ima razlike u zvuku.Ja imam Grundig 8200mk2 radi odlicno i zasluzuje da se nadje na listi . Zelim da ga zamenim za analogni.Iznenadilo me je da se Sansu tu217 nalazi na listi.Odavno gledam da ga nabavim ovde na forumu je prodat jedan nedavno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Evo jednog za male pare: https://www.kupujemprodajem.com/Radio-aparat-9492060-oglas.htm?filter_id=5711577 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingus,Mingus Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Imao sam Hitachi FT-5500 ali verziju mk2 jedva sam ga prodao nista bolji od Grundinga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingus,Mingus Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Evo jednog za male pare: https://www.kupujemprodajem.com/Radio-aparat-9492060-oglas.htm?filter_id=5711577 To nije tjuner nego risiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giZ_Mo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Zelim da ga zamenim za analogni. Пробај Revox A76, изненадићеш Ñе мада је малко ружњикав. О Hitachi FT-440 не желим да причам, треба га поÑлушати. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 To nije tjuner nego risiver. Nije ni risiver, ima i zvuÄnike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoranBG Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Imao sam nekoliko tjunera koji su bili vrh u svoje vreme, a ima ih i na ovim spiskovima: Onkyo T9090 Onkyo T9990 Philips 22AH673 Sony ST-SA3ES Sony ST-SA5ES Sansui TU919 Hitachi FT5500 Mk2 Neke od njih sam poredio 1:1. Sony ST-SA3ES/5ES sviraju potpuno isto kao i Onkyo T9990 koji je bio referentni tjuner u najvisoj klasi po Stereoplay (1.600 DEM kataloski). Stavise, T9990 je svirao jednako dobro tek kada se zagreje, posle nekih 30 minuta. Pri A/B/A i B/A/B testu niko od nas par nije mogao da ustanovi o kojem se tjuneru radilo (a nije bilo do stanice, ha ha). ST-SA3ES je svirao jednako dobro, nisam primetio nikakvu razliku u zvuku. Cak i ST-S505ES je bio skoro jednako dobar, prosto da covek ne poveruje. Philips 22AH673 je najbolji zvuk ostvarivao sa stanicama koje su imale najjaci signal. Izvanredna je sprava. Sansui TU919 je jednako dobro svirao, ali ne bolje od gorenavedenih. Hitachi FT5500 Mk2 je odlican tjuner, ali nema tu detaljnost niti prefinjenost kao gorenavedeni tjuneri. Njega bih stavio u vrh B klase. Za mene, vrhunska sprava i izgledom i zvukom je Sony ST-SA5ES. Nazalost, na 3ES i 5ES hoce da otkaze sistem za automatsko trazenje stanica i jos neke sitnice. Ovo je trivijalan problem, uglavnom se svodi na problem sa sekcijom napajanja. Sto se tice ergonomije, Sony je neprevazidjen - Autobetical sistem je sjajan, radi tri skeniranja i na pocetna mesta memorise stanice sa RDS-om, po abecednom redu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingus,Mingus Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Pretpostavljam da svaki Revox radi odlicno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giZ_Mo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Pretpostavljam da svaki Revox radi odlicno. Ради, мада Ñам миÑлио на Ñам звук. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sule Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Koliko sam ja pregledao ovu listu na kratko cini mi se da nema ni jednog Nemca,zasto ne ubacise bar jednog Grundzu ili Duala.............Nepravda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingus,Mingus Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Tacno ima i Nemaca odlicnih....recimo T+A ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perodeformero Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Većina tjunera sa spiskova je poslednji put napravljena pre skoro 20 godina, pa bilo kakvo poreÄ‘enje danas nema mnogo smisla bez promene elektrolita i ostalih delova podložnih odstupanju od fabriÄkih referenci. Imao sam na poslu Revox B 260, i po mom miÅ¡ljenju je to jedna opaka mamojebaÄka sprava. Rado bih ga video u svojoj polici, ali je neko bio brži. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aco Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Nisam siguran da iko na ovo može merodavno da odgovori, jer da bi mogao, trebalo bi da je posluÅ¡ao bar većinu tjunera sa spiska koji je baÅ¡ dugaÄak. A da su svi isti, nisu ni pod razno. Ja kod kuće držim tri tjunera, reVox B 760, Philips Black Tulip AH180 i Technics ST-G570. Na papairu, sva tri imaju jako sliÄne osobine, ali u praksi to su tri razliÄita zvuka. Po meni, Technics je jedan smiren tjuner koji se trudi da posao obavi temeljno, da mu niÅ¡ta ne promakne, Äak bih rekao i pomalo lenj. Philips je ansuprot njemu neobiÄno živahan tjuner, koji hata sve stanice sem železniÄke, ima nizak nivo opozadinskog Å¡uma, ali i neki svoj stav o tome kako treba da zvuÄi. Nije najneutralniji ali je veliko zadovoljstvo za sluÅ¡anje. reVox je definitivno najneutralniji, a najjaÄa strana mu je Å¡to ima veoma mali pozadinski Å¡um i najbolje reprodukuje ambijentne informacije, najbolje "diÅ¡e", ima najbolji osećaj prostora. Ali zao nije baÅ¡ džaba, posebno kada uraÄunaÅ¡ i potrebno osvežavanje. Da li ste nekada pisali u Äasopisu Audiofon,tu se u jednom tekstu naÅ¡la reÄenica o jednom tuneru koji hvata sve stanice osim železniÄke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvv Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Da li ste nekada pisali u Äasopisu Audiofon,tu se u jednom tekstu naÅ¡la reÄenica o jednom tuneru koji hvata sve stanice osim železniÄkeJesam, pisao sam, i to jeste moja omiljena reÄenica. Svaka Äast na pamćenju. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly Harmless Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Lista koja ne sadrži bar jedan Grundig može da se okaÄi maÄku o rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giZ_Mo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Lista koja ne sadrži bar jedan Grundig može da se okaÄi maÄku o rep Качи, ко ти брани. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly Harmless Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Nemam. Daj Sofiju, poslužiće Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giZ_Mo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 МиÑлио Ñам да прекопираш лиÑту Ñа прве Ñтране и додаш тај крш Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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