anubisgrau Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 pa sad, povremeno iskoci po neka full SATI amplifikacija za nekih 5 tisuća šuštavaca otprilike, polovno. EDIT - evo je https://www.ebay.com/itm/253939616888 mislim da se za te novce moze bolje uraditi od nule u domaćoj radinosti, ovo deluje baš vrlo strejt koncepcijski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFi Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Thx Zoki! Interstage mi ne treba (Lundahl radi posao) a oni TVC...verujem da su naj ali ja sam ipak vrlo dobar a ne odlikash. Zadovoljicu se sa Lazar ili Silk TVC ako uopste bude TVC. Dizajner preampa za Amity tvrdi da attenuator nije najbitniji u toj specificnoj konstrukciji. Hebem li ga...Slusao sam neke top preampove koji imaju stepper attenuator izveden klasicnim ili smd otpornicima i nije to bilo lose. Sad, Silk nije preskup, cak je u rangu cene boljih stepped potova. Onda mi je on verovatno opcija Nr1, pogotovo sto u EU ima diler (Holandija ako se ne varam). A Lazar cu moci uskoro da probam (bakarni). Skupljam delove, kanibalizovao sam jedan wot pa imam skoro sve od napajanja za probu na dasci Samo da pojasnim: BAT preamp nema dovoljno gaina za drajv Amityja. Mislim radi to ali Vacuum State RTP radi jos bolje. Mislim da je odgovarajuci preamp (radjen po uzoru na WE seme iz 30ih samo sa top trafoima, Raven se zove) optimum za moj konkretan slucaj. U konkretnoj semi Ravena je DACT pot ali su neki predlagali da se stavi TVC. Raven je full differential (balansirani) preamp i jedino takav moze da mi radi posao sa Amity ampom. Razmisljao sam i o full DHT preampu ali mislim da to nije resenje (malo gaina) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFi Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 sat ranije, anubisgrau said: pa sad, povremeno iskoci po neka full SATI amplifikacija za nekih 5 tisuća šuštavaca otprilike, polovno. EDIT - evo je https://www.ebay.com/itm/253939616888 mislim da se za te novce moze bolje uraditi od nule u domaćoj radinosti, ovo deluje baš vrlo strejt koncepcijski. Za 5 iljada se pravi Karna (f PP amp, 45-->300B) sa top delovima (japanski trafoi, top kondovi u napajanju,...) To bi bio moj izbor da recimo sad pocinjem da pravim. Kad malo bolje razmislim, trafoi su dzaba...koliko su lampe skupe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubisgrau Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 zato treba odjebati celu tu biznis šemu i praviti sa lampama kojih ima na pretek i dzabe su jos uvek - 4P1L, 6C33C, GM70.... reče čovek koji je nahrčkao sve što valja od 300b... Western Electric, Emission Labs, Svetlana, Psvane Black Treasure.... *****. mnogo smo zakasnili u ovu igranku, do pre samo 10 godina dobre VT-4C, 10Y i 2A3 iz vojnih zaliha uzimale su se za 20e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Do pre vise od 15 godina... Ja trenutno koristim neke nemacke profi potove. Naravno old school, od pre jedno 50 godina. Nasao sam nove u originalnom pakovanju. (Naravno da nemam za njih Touschel konektor koji je 50eu kom). Neverovatno koliko dobro rade. Samo su jako veliki i masivni... Mozda je najbolja kombinacija LDR pota i Grid choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubisgrau Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 meni je bilo zlo kada sam gledao neke slike iz mayerove radionice - covek je ladno pre 25 godina poceo da hrcka cevi za sve ovo sto radi danas. 300b su i tada bile skupe, pa je rano ostao bez njih i do elrog 300b cevi nije radio vise, ali 10Y, 801, 211, c3g, d3a, zivine ispravljacice.... bukvalno na sanduke oznaceno. mislim da ima kolicine za hiljade uredjaja bukvalno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Pa sta da ti kazem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Ima i kod nas ljudi sa ogromnim kolekcijama cevi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubisgrau Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 18 minuta ranije, prophet said: Ima i kod nas ljudi sa ogromnim kolekcijama cevi. pa ne znam, ako mislis na ovog najpoznatijeg od njega bas nema nikakve koristi. covek se bavi sopstvenim biznisom, ne znam da li je nesto od te vruce robe zavrsilo u srbiji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Da, na njega mislim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Ma ima bre cevi. To nije problem. Nije bitno koliko kostaju vazno je da postoje nove da se kupe. I OK su. Pa eto I TM stavlja ove iz novije produkcije i pored toga sto ima mnogo vintage primeraka? Ja recimo nemam zamerku na full music 300B? A slusao sam u istom ampu i WE original i Svetlanine i druge. Jedino su Sovtek bile lose... Pa ne manjaju se na mesec dana traje to 4-5 godina. Meni je krivo samo sto nisam imao prilike da drzim u ruci one prave DA60, DA100, DA250, UB180, YO182, itd, sve pre WWII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubisgrau Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Jao sad cu negde da otvorim temu da se kace razne lepe sprave sas cefe. Otkrio sam neke lude Bugare/Ukrajince koji kidaju sta prave, next big thing. Moram da okacim a da ne zagadjujem S-fiju temu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Pa evo da se vratimo u kolosek teme, a u vezi sa Amity ampom. Na ovom linku je sredjeno i postavljeno mnogo konstrukcija, istorijski znacajnih. Pored sema ima mnogo podataka, pa i poneka fotografija konkretnog modela. Ulozeo mnogo truda i jako lepo prezentovano. http://lilienthalengineering.com/100-amplifiers-chapter-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFi Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 sat ranije, Majda said: Ma ima bre cevi. To nije problem. Nije bitno koliko kostaju vazno je da postoje nove da se kupe. I OK su. Pa eto I TM stavlja ove iz novije produkcije i pored toga sto ima mnogo vintage primeraka? Ja recimo nemam zamerku na full music 300B? A slusao sam u istom ampu i WE original i Svetlanine i druge. Jedino su Sovtek bile lose... Pa ne manjaju se na mesec dana traje to 4-5 godina. Meni je krivo samo sto nisam imao prilike da drzim u ruci one prave DA60, DA100, DA250, UB180, YO182, itd, sve pre WWII Tako je Zoki! Dobro je dok mogu da se kupe nove. Ako EML daje garanciju! od 5 god to uopste nije tako lose. Nisu jeftine ali sada su i Kinezi digli cene. Mislim, ja za moje pare Kinezima ne dam >200Eu za lampu bez ikakve garancije. Nego, jos cu da preradim Amity na AD1 Sound Character of the AD1-mesh The higher heater voltage of 4 Volts, is also the source of another sound. This effect is only so with directly heated tubes. The AD1 sounds less dominant, more silky than 2A3. It can be said that all 4Volts DHT from the 1930's 1940's have very high collector's value, much higher than 2.5 Volts tubes have ever achieved. Let me quote Rainer zur Linde, who wrote several books in German language about historical tubes: "AD1 is the highlight of European DHT triodes, and also marks the end of the period of DHT tubes manufacturing". Perhaps there is no better way to describe this tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFi Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 sat ranije, anubisgrau said: Jao sad cu negde da otvorim temu da se kace razne lepe sprave sas cefe. Otkrio sam neke lude Bugare/Ukrajince koji kidaju sta prave, next big thing. Moram da okacim a da ne zagadjujem S-fiju temu. Da, bolje u novoj temi. Moze se zvati kao moto EML: Saving the world from Solid State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFi Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 sati ranije, anubisgrau said: meni je bilo zlo kada sam gledao neke slike iz mayerove radionice - covek je ladno pre 25 godina poceo da hrcka cevi za sve ovo sto radi danas. 300b su i tada bile skupe, pa je rano ostao bez njih i do elrog 300b cevi nije radio vise, ali 10Y, 801, 211, c3g, d3a, zivine ispravljacice.... bukvalno na sanduke oznaceno. mislim da ima kolicine za hiljade uredjaja bukvalno. meni je jako zanimljivo sto topoloski (sema) njegovi top uredjaji u poslednje vreme su full differential a ne SET. Ako ne gresim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubisgrau Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 ne gresis mada on sada radi full po narudzbini, sta ljudi hoce od njega on to napravi. pored toga full diff je sigurno manji prag suma nego nebalansirana konstrukcija. verovatno i bolje svira, sta mi bednici da kazemo kad vidimo one boleštine njegove recentne... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anubisgrau Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Speaking of Tomi Horning, na šta maločas nabasah. Čovek prodaje zvučnike Horning Agalme.... Explanation and warning on dealing with Tommy Horning I’m in an unfortunate position with these speakers, as my wife will not have these speakers in the house, and it has nothing to do with the size or the looks. People have asked the question and I’ll be open and honest. This is a situation between me and Tommy Horning. I paid him in advance for the Agalme speakers, Sati turntable and Sati RIAA phono amp in order to help him with buying materials, cash flow and treated him as a friend. He only delivered the speakers and not the turntable and amp claiming that the Danish tax authorities took all that he had. Even though he is now obviously successfully back in business and trading through the same company, he refuses to provide the goods I paid for and feels that this is a perfectly acceptable and normal way of running a business. Good designer but very dishonest and has lost his way in life. The classical education has been wasted on him unfortunately. The new Horning importer in the UK, Willow Tree Audio, is aware of the situation, as is High Water Sound in New York. Lowther UK have also been advised. Tommy Horning doesn't seem to care about their opinion preferring to bury his head in the sand and hope I go away. He feels that because his company is in his wife's name, he has no obligation to pay the company's debts. it's all a joke for him. If anyone needs to know more and I'll provide correspondence between me and Tommy going back some years. Open Letter to Tommy Hoerning Tommy, I fully paid for a SATI turntable and SATI phono amplifier in 2013 – a full five years ago. They were never delivered to me as you know. I gave you the money in advance to buy the nanocrystal transformer cores. I supported you when the Danish speaker cabinet company went into liquidation in 2014. I paid for everything in full before taking any delivery – stupid but I tried to help you and trusted you. I chased you through all of 2015 to deliver the items, until in 2016 you told me that you have lost everything to the Danish tax man. I gave you some time to get your business back together. In 2017 I found out from Lowther and your international distributers that you were doing solid business with them. I have other communications which I will not revealed. Clearly you are making money from your business, you are active and you are in a position to send me a new turntable and phono stage as you are doing so to other clients. I have paid more for the turntable than others have - and then consider how much a loan would cost you for some many thousands of Euros. Why do you steal from me while sending equipment to new buyers? So, when are you going to send me my goods? How long must I wait? This eBay listing will one day be finished and will be deleted from digital history. So far - I have avoided telling my story on the audio forums where the history stays for ever. Where anyone who wants to know about Horning loudspeakers or Tommy Horning will have permanent access. Is that the Horning Legacy you want to leave your son? How would he feel when he knows the internet is full of true stories about his father being a thief? Your company’s name is under your wife’s name. Does she know what you have done to me? Does the congregation in her church where she plays the piano know? I’ve been good to you since I bought the Agathons from you in 2008 (photo attached just to remind you - my expensive AudioTruth Dragon+ silver cables were not connected well by you, but that is a separate story.) All you have done is ruin what once was a great hobby of mine, and in fact have affected my marriage and family for years. Think about it Tommy – don’t feel for one minute that because I don’t pester you every month that this theft has been forgotten or is over. Will your family have to pay for your weakness? Are you man enough to face up to the responsibility yourself? You have my contact details. 31 Oct 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srdjan_cvetkovic Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Koliko vidim, samo njih je i prodao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFi Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Bio je jedan Horning kod Slobe BM pre 4-5 godina. Steta sto se nije moglo poslusati. Koncept koji je sjajan...Sub+extended range (lowther) + supertweeter...uzmes najbolje od svakog. Implementacija je bitna, Horninga nisam slusao nikad ali najboji zvuk u zivotu koji sam cuo je bio ovo gore (Altek 15''+Aer+jonski super visoki) Rheetm im je slican... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Slusao. Moze to mnogo bolje. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Ja sam morao da vratim moj SATI TVC, posto su neki stepovi bili pogresno povezani. A kako nisam imao pri sebi neki posten RLC metar da preko induktivnosti odredm koji je koji namotaj od njih 24 (obicnim om metrom se nisam usudio to da radim posto bih trajno namagnetisao osetjiva jezgra pustanjem DC struje kroz namotaje...), teska srca sam ga vratio. Stvarno me je mrzelo da ispravljam po ko zna koji put krive drine... Sada cu morati da namptam sebi jedan par svojerucno. Dosadno... Stalno odlazem. Ova nova jezgra nisu losa. Ali sva imaju ogromne maane u odnosu na true vinatge jezgra. Recimo ona visoko permeabilna koje je siemens koristio. Danasnja su uglavnom C tip jezgra, ili toroidni tip. I kod c i kod toroidnih sa procepom postoje povrsine koje su presecene i gde su trake spojene u jednu tacku. KOd C jezgara takvih tacaka ima 8. kod toroidnih sa procepom 2 ili 4. Tu se linije magnetnh sila zbrajaju u jednu nedefinisanu povrsinu i nastavljaju na drugu. Ovoga nema kod EI ili M tipa jezgra, gde svaka linija magnetnih silnica prati svoj u komplementarnu lamelu, A kod M tipa to je jos vise "tight" posto je svaka lamela iz jednog dela... Ali je zato EI jezgro mnogo teze postaviti kada se radi o jako tankim lamelicama. M lamelice je jos teze postaviti i ceo proces formiranja jezgra je neuporedivo duzi od C ili O jezgara. Moje vintage high perm lamelice su M tip... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 20 hours ago, SuperFi said: meni je jako zanimljivo sto topoloski (sema) njegovi top uredjaji u poslednje vreme su full differential a ne SET. Ako ne gresim Zbog izlazne snage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majda Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 20 hours ago, anubisgrau said: ne gresis mada on sada radi full po narudzbini, sta ljudi hoce od njega on to napravi. pored toga full diff je sigurno manji prag suma nego nebalansirana konstrukcija. verovatno i bolje svira, sta mi bednici da kazemo kad vidimo one boleštine njegove recentne... Mislim Da Tomas i kolega mu Von Langa, rade odlice i ultraegzoticne stvari. Recimo postojali su TFK zvucnici OB koncept iz tridesetih godina, koji su bas takvi kao ti na fotografijama. Pazi samo kako ti pendrek kablovi izgledaju tanusni pored tih grdosija koje povezuju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFi Posted November 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 On 20.11.2018. at 16:00, Majda said: Zbog izlazne snage... Da li samo zbog toga? kako god, pokazuje da SET nije jedini izbor kada je SOTA amplifikacija u pitanju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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