Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 DY Heritage sam slusao kod Mladje sa Simaudio masinerijom slicnog (mozda i malo viseg) nivoa ovom Naim-u i meni se nije previse svidelo. Zvucalo mi je "tanko". Doduse, bili su novi i neusvirani, a to iz licnog iskustva kod Dynadio kutija pravi dobranu razliku. Da ne prepricavam - citat mog post-a sa drugog foruma: "Finally I got a chance to listen to the Heritage Special's for a few hours. In short - they are very good speakers for smaller rooms, but pretty far from "Confidence killers" as someone could conclude from meny reviews and opinions online - both professional and user (on forums, FB groups...). If you ask me - the difference in price is 100% justified. They sound somewhat "lean" and unbalanced - to me. Yes, the bass is fast, controlled, precise, but it's missing both its body and the texture and that appears to affect the whole frequency range - from the bottom to the top. In some moments during the listening of double bass (e.g. "Ray Brown, John Clayton, Christian McBride - SuperBass" or "The Ray Brown Trio - Summer Wind: Live at the Loa" albums) I got the feeling almost like I was listening to the strings without a wooden body. The resolution is there, the details are there, but the full "body" of a sound is partially missing. And that is not how I felt only for instruments which play (very) low tones - it's pretty similar with other instruments. They are pretty well positioned in the space (although the soundstage depth could be somewhat better), but they are smaller in volume than they should be. Just to add, that this exact description can be "attached" to many high quality bookshelf speakers - that is something that I'm missing in sound when I'm listening to them. With Confidence 20's and also Contour 20's I don't have this issue. Of course, Contour 20's have their own drawbacks compared with both Confidence and Heritage, but if you ask me to choose between Heritage and Contour 20 - it's a tough task. Maaaaybe I'm closer to Heritage, because they really have significantly better resolution and transparency, but I wouldn't be too happy. With Confidence 20's - yes, I would be missing my Confidence 50's a lot and also my subs - but I'm sure that after some time I could adapt to their sound and to be pretty happy with them. Of course, YMMV. Just to add that the "test" system is pretty decent Simaudio MOON P-8 preamp Simaudio MOON W-7M amps Simaudio MOON 780D v2 DAC / streamer Métronome DSS streamer Métronome Le Player 3 CD transport" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Moon, чудна реч за Naim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Bilo bi čudno da elektronika od 51.093eur nema prednost u odnosu na Unity seriju.Послато са SM-G960F помоћу Тапатока Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 37 minuta ranije, ab said: Moon, чудна реч за Naim Srecom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 6 sati ranije, Green said: po preporučenim MP cenama vrednost elektronike je 51.093eur Jel moze pojedinacno po stavkama? Nesto mi je to velika cifra.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sondek Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Mislim da Nikola nije mislio na prednost u kvalitetu, vec da visi modeli imaju vise sa odlicnim zvukom njihovih old skul komponenti.Nedavno smo i pricali na tu temu.Naime, pok. Julian Vereker je imao dosta posteniji odnos prema kupcima.Nize serije njihovih uredjaja su imale po meni 90% zvuka visih.Razlike su bile po tome sto su ove skuplje lakse pokretale izuzetno zahtevne zvucnike poput recimo Linn izobarik ili mozda neki kompleksniji trosistemski DY zvucnik i bile su sposobne da ispune velik prostor.One iz nizih serija pa cak i nait 1 sa svojih 15w vam je davao isti ili skoro isti zvuk u manjem prostoru i sa nesto laksim za pogon zvucnicima.Iako su bez problema svi radili sa zvucnicima koji su najcesce uparivani (Linn)od svega 84-86 db. Ta politika se promenila maltene odmah nakon ranog odlaska Verekera,picetkom 2000-tih. Zapravo su naucili kako da "pokvare" zvuk...pa sad treba da platis 2-3k po komponenti da bi, karikiram malo, dobio visoke tonove. Po meni dosta jeftinijih modela zapravo nema veze sa "naim zvukom". To se jasno vidi kad cujes na pr.nac 282 ..."evo ga onaj stari naim".U tri reci "plati pa klati". To rade i druge firme, nikakav naim specijalitet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Ta vremena su, nazalost, daleko iza nas. Naucili ljudi da zaradjuju pare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goran_p Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Naim NDX 2 6398 e NAC 252 14665 e NAP 300 10498 e SUPERCAP 6089 e PS 555 8924 e Superlumina kablovi zvucnicki 3323 e Superlumina interkonekt 1 kom 2318 e Tako ispada cena manje vise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 31 minuta ranije, goran_p said: NAC 252 14665 e NAC 252 je oko 8.2k evra / 7k funti. Racunas zajedno sa Supercap? Imas ga i kao posebnu stavku na spisku. To zajedno ispadne oko 45-46k, ako dobro racunam. Sa "domacinskim" popustom cirka 30k I dalje "momacka" cifra... Treba stvarno biti lud, pa uz tu cifru za elektroniku pazariti zvucnike za 6k. Al' ludi Englezi to rade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goran_p Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Napajanje se kupuje posebno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Onda ti je losa cifra. Veca je od prave upravo za cenu Supercap-a iliti za vise od 6k evra. Ostale cifre su manje-vise ok - malo vece od cena "napolju", tako da ti se tu omakla neka greska. Nekako mi se ucinila prejako cena, ali zaboravih da Naim dere na tim napajanjima, a ona su maltene mandatorna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goran_p Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 21 minuta ranije, Delija said: Treba stvarno biti lud, pa uz tu cifru za elektroniku pazariti zvucnike za 6k. Al' ludi Englezi to rade... Uz Wilson Sophia upariše Naim Nait 5 Here’s the icing on the cake: the Sophia’s highish sensitivity, flat impedance curve, and resistive rather than reactive load make it very easy to drive. That means the Sophia can be driven by low-powered (read: inexpensive) amplifiers. I achieved superb results driving the Sophia with the 25Wpc Naim Nait 5 integrated amplifier ($1450). Though this combination didn’t fully exploit the Sophia’s dynamic capabilities, it was intensely musical and produced a sound I would have been happy to live with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srecko Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Nisam neprijatelj Naim, naprotiv (imam i slušam svakodnevno “Super Nait 3”, uživam u njemu i zadovoljan sam njim) no uz svo dužno poštovanje za Naim mislim da je kombinacija gospodina[mention=8571]Delija[/mention] Devialet-DY (The best model) apsolutni pogodak i potpuno druga liga od prezentovanog sistema, osim ako neko nema želju da se baš uveri da su stari koncepti ipak za istoriju.I pored naših bolećivosti prema lepim uspomenama na mladost (Naim je mnogima na ovaj ili onaj način bio deo mladosti) svet nije prestao da se okreće.Da je Devialet pomenute mono blokove procenio na po 50K po komadu (u njima bar ima pameti-software, custom dizajnirani čipovi ………. ), kako to Naim čini, mislim da Naim ne bismo ni pominjali u ovakvom tipu diskusije. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Nije bas "fer" porediti ovaj Naim sistem i Devialet - razlika u ceni je celih tri puta, mada je zanimljivo da ima dosta vlasnika Devialet-a koji su bivsi Naim-ovci - sudeci po Devialet forumu. Dobar deo njih sa jos jacim Naim sistemima. Verujem da su neki pobegli od gomile kutijetina, ali tesko je bas tek tako preci s konja na magarca - pa verujem da Devialet nije bas ni magarac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Voleo bih da cujem i taj combo koji je slusao Nikola, a i Confidence 50 ili mozda cak i 60 u tom sistemu. Ne sumnjam u Nikolin ukus - verujem da ovo dobro svira, a saznah u medjuvremenu da ni prostorija uopste nije mala. Bice da su se fino slozile kockice sa odzivom prostorije. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 3 sati ranije, Delija said: Jel moze pojedinacno po stavkama? Nesto mi je to velika cifra.. Naim-cjenik-13.07.2021.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexx Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Dobro bre, izađite ispred pa merite patke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 39 minuta ranije, Green said: Naim-cjenik-13.07.2021.pdf 96 kB · 4 downloads Thanks. Za 252 je 100% cena sa Supercap-om ili je greska. https://www.sg-akustik.de/shop/naim-audio-nac-252 https://shop.hsga-gmbh.de/naim-audio-nac-252-102828 https://audiot.co.uk/p-180049-nac-252.aspx https://www.audioaffair.co.uk/naim-nac-252-pre-amplifier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 20 minuta ranije, Zexx said: Dobro bre, izađite ispred pa merite patke... Mi bar merimo patke - ti si tvoju sakrio, pa ni ne znamo da li je patka ili ribica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patason Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 17 minuta ranije, Delija said: Mi bar merimo patke - ti si tvoju sakrio, pa ni ne znamo da li je patka ili ribica moz da bude i jedno i drugo,rodna neutralnost, zexx tera modu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Pravda za @Zexx-a! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toza Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 5 sati ranije, ab said: Moon, чудна реч за Naim To ti pričam! Alooo, @Thecoki, radi crv. Dobro smo posijali! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Kad vidim da se ovako ozbiljan sistem testira sa Yello, uh...Послато са SM-G960F помоћу Тапатока Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delija Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Jok, nego ce sa Maiden-ima? U cosak - kec!! Zezanciju na stranu, da bi Yello zvucao dobro treba mnogo ozbiljniji sistem nego za neku cigu-ligu muziku sa dva i po instrumenta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toza Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Da bi Majls i Gurtu zvučali dobro, a da ne bude mljeveno meso, brateeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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